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	<title>Comments on: Gratitude</title>
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		<title>By: Brian Sax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Sax</dc:creator>
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		<description>The very idea of gratitude is to me its own argument for the existence of a personal God who began all things.  If I feel &amp; experience gratitude for what my parents gave me, does the gratitude deserve to stop there?  Have I not given credit only partly where credit was due?  I then must acknowledge the people that gave them their life &amp; &#039;abundance&#039; that allowed them to give me mine.  So reasonably, it draws me back, both in attitude and in thought to the issue of Origins.  Can Personality and its inseparable Gratitude flow from an Impersonal Force?  Can the first man to exist personally thank &#039;the universe&#039; for by chance creating him?  If this impossibility were so, then all of my gratitude seems nonsense also.  For if we came here by chance, even our personality is an illusion and therefore Gratitude becomes meaningless &amp; nonsense.

But according to historic Christianity (and other monotheistic religions), gratitude flows upward from receiver to giver and eventually to the Unmoved Mover, The Giver, and in so doing, edifies the grateful person.  In so doing, it also fosters true humility and in a sort of negative-feedback system creates more gratitude.

In my personal experience, it is gratitude that shows love best.  Love is the chiefest thing, but gratitude gives love fuel and a fertile field from which to grow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The very idea of gratitude is to me its own argument for the existence of a personal God who began all things.  If I feel &amp; experience gratitude for what my parents gave me, does the gratitude deserve to stop there?  Have I not given credit only partly where credit was due?  I then must acknowledge the people that gave them their life &amp; &#8216;abundance&#8217; that allowed them to give me mine.  So reasonably, it draws me back, both in attitude and in thought to the issue of Origins.  Can Personality and its inseparable Gratitude flow from an Impersonal Force?  Can the first man to exist personally thank &#8216;the universe&#8217; for by chance creating him?  If this impossibility were so, then all of my gratitude seems nonsense also.  For if we came here by chance, even our personality is an illusion and therefore Gratitude becomes meaningless &amp; nonsense.</p>
<p>But according to historic Christianity (and other monotheistic religions), gratitude flows upward from receiver to giver and eventually to the Unmoved Mover, The Giver, and in so doing, edifies the grateful person.  In so doing, it also fosters true humility and in a sort of negative-feedback system creates more gratitude.</p>
<p>In my personal experience, it is gratitude that shows love best.  Love is the chiefest thing, but gratitude gives love fuel and a fertile field from which to grow.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Moloney</title>
		<link>http://philosophyonthemesa.com/2007/11/18/gratitude/#comment-907</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Moloney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am thankful to Professor Furrow for bringing up the topic of gratitude. I am not sure that I would have ever thought of gratitude as being a philosophical topic.  As Professor Furrow teaches, appreciation follows upon understanding; the more we understand something, such as music or art, the better we can appreciate it.  It is worthwhile, then, to investigate gratitude in order to better appreciate it.

It may be possible to give thanks to something impersonal, but I do not think it is reasonable to do so.  It is unreasonable to give thanks to something that will never know our thanks, and it is unreasonable to try to reason with something that cannot reason, such as the sun.  As Professor Furrow argues, the giving of a benefit belongs to the intention of the giver; it is a rational choice.  I am thankful for the sun, but I am not thankful to the sun.

It has to be determined what the perspective of the philosopher is in regards to gratitude.  The philosopher regards gratitude in relation to Wisdom.  If philosophy is the love of Wisdom, it is the pursuit of Wisdom through love.  No one wants to become wise without loving Wisdom.  If philosophy has an essence to it, it is Wisdom.  The philosopher is grateful to those who help them become wise.  The philosopher is grateful for that which is conducive to becoming wise.  Gratitude, then, follows upon love.

The pursuit of philosophy is a social endeavor.  As Professor Furrow points out, there are many people that benefit us whom we may never know.  Many people make the pursuit of philosophy possible for us, too many to even imagine.  There are the people that built the school, the people that keep the school running, bus drivers that bring people to school, and the list goes on and on.  Without society there could be no pursuit of philosophy.  

It is unreasonable to give thanks to things that will never have any knowledge of our thanks, that is a form of talking to oneself.  It is especially unreasonable when we neglect to give thanks to those people who have benefited us.  Again, as Professor Furrow points out,  we will never know all the people that have benefited us.  The best way to give thanks might be to be as reasonable as possible to all those we come across, whether we know them or not.

In response to Professor Rosenstand&#039;s thoughts on the reception or the difficulty of receiving gratitude, I wonder if that difficulty is based on a false humility.  It seems that the overtly proud person is willing to receive any gratitude whether or not they are deserving of it.  I also wonder if we have difficulty in receiving gratitude because we are not actually grateful ourselves.  It may be that many of us were brought up to say thank you because it is polite to do so.  How sincere our thanks is is another matter.  There should be no difficulty in receiving gratitude if we our truly thankful persons.  For the sake of argument, say someone is grateful for the way I write, there should be no difficulty in receiving the gratitude without being boastful.  If I do write well, it would be due to the efforts of many people.  To receive gratitude well would be a way to give thanks to those that helped me.  Those that cannot receive gratitude well might be those that attribute to much to themselves.  False humility can mask the injustice done to others.

It is the mark of the intelligent person to be grateful.  It is the intelligent person that knows they have been benefited and by whom.  
Again, as Professor Furrow points out, it is the mark of the intelligent person to know they have also been benefited by persons unknown. To all those that have helped me become more intelligent I give thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am thankful to Professor Furrow for bringing up the topic of gratitude. I am not sure that I would have ever thought of gratitude as being a philosophical topic.  As Professor Furrow teaches, appreciation follows upon understanding; the more we understand something, such as music or art, the better we can appreciate it.  It is worthwhile, then, to investigate gratitude in order to better appreciate it.</p>
<p>It may be possible to give thanks to something impersonal, but I do not think it is reasonable to do so.  It is unreasonable to give thanks to something that will never know our thanks, and it is unreasonable to try to reason with something that cannot reason, such as the sun.  As Professor Furrow argues, the giving of a benefit belongs to the intention of the giver; it is a rational choice.  I am thankful for the sun, but I am not thankful to the sun.</p>
<p>It has to be determined what the perspective of the philosopher is in regards to gratitude.  The philosopher regards gratitude in relation to Wisdom.  If philosophy is the love of Wisdom, it is the pursuit of Wisdom through love.  No one wants to become wise without loving Wisdom.  If philosophy has an essence to it, it is Wisdom.  The philosopher is grateful to those who help them become wise.  The philosopher is grateful for that which is conducive to becoming wise.  Gratitude, then, follows upon love.</p>
<p>The pursuit of philosophy is a social endeavor.  As Professor Furrow points out, there are many people that benefit us whom we may never know.  Many people make the pursuit of philosophy possible for us, too many to even imagine.  There are the people that built the school, the people that keep the school running, bus drivers that bring people to school, and the list goes on and on.  Without society there could be no pursuit of philosophy.  </p>
<p>It is unreasonable to give thanks to things that will never have any knowledge of our thanks, that is a form of talking to oneself.  It is especially unreasonable when we neglect to give thanks to those people who have benefited us.  Again, as Professor Furrow points out,  we will never know all the people that have benefited us.  The best way to give thanks might be to be as reasonable as possible to all those we come across, whether we know them or not.</p>
<p>In response to Professor Rosenstand&#8217;s thoughts on the reception or the difficulty of receiving gratitude, I wonder if that difficulty is based on a false humility.  It seems that the overtly proud person is willing to receive any gratitude whether or not they are deserving of it.  I also wonder if we have difficulty in receiving gratitude because we are not actually grateful ourselves.  It may be that many of us were brought up to say thank you because it is polite to do so.  How sincere our thanks is is another matter.  There should be no difficulty in receiving gratitude if we our truly thankful persons.  For the sake of argument, say someone is grateful for the way I write, there should be no difficulty in receiving the gratitude without being boastful.  If I do write well, it would be due to the efforts of many people.  To receive gratitude well would be a way to give thanks to those that helped me.  Those that cannot receive gratitude well might be those that attribute to much to themselves.  False humility can mask the injustice done to others.</p>
<p>It is the mark of the intelligent person to be grateful.  It is the intelligent person that knows they have been benefited and by whom.<br />
Again, as Professor Furrow points out, it is the mark of the intelligent person to know they have also been benefited by persons unknown. To all those that have helped me become more intelligent I give thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Nina Rosenstand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nina Rosenstand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, Happy Thanksgiving! Let us all have a brief moment in time where we focus on nondenominational good cheer and good food...As for this intriguing analysis of gratitude, three things come to mind: (1) Husserl notwithstanding, it is not impossible that we have the capacity for nonintentional feelings, i.e., a feeling of gratitude extended simply beyond ourselves, toward no one in particular. I would think that this feeling is akin to an immense overflowing of appreciation for one&#039;s good fortune in view of the possible alternatives--a nondirectional rejoicing that results in giving thanks to Chance and Luck. (This is what usually gets redirected to &quot;God,&quot; &quot;The Church,&quot; &quot;The State,&quot; or whoever one thinks has the most influence in those matters. But of course there are moments where people really do thank God, or the State, etc., with all their heart, and the appropriateness of that is surely a matter of personal opinion.) (2) Gratitude may actually not be exclusively an emotion, but also (pardon my soundbite) an attitude, a being-toward which we choose because we deem it to be appropriate. In other words, we often show gratitude rather than feel it, for societal reasons. (3) Getting back to the present and non-present recipients of your suggested feeling of gratitude, which I really like, especially the element of extending it to those who are no longer with us, and those whose unseen hands have helped bringing us to this moment. But something that is rarely brought up is the proper way, not to show gratitude, but to receive gratitude. Tell someone you&#039;re grateful for what he or she has done, and they rarely know what to say! This, I think, is a lack in our moral education--we are appropriately focused on giving thanks where thanks is due, but we are not taught to receive gratitude graciously...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, Happy Thanksgiving! Let us all have a brief moment in time where we focus on nondenominational good cheer and good food&#8230;As for this intriguing analysis of gratitude, three things come to mind: (1) Husserl notwithstanding, it is not impossible that we have the capacity for nonintentional feelings, i.e., a feeling of gratitude extended simply beyond ourselves, toward no one in particular. I would think that this feeling is akin to an immense overflowing of appreciation for one&#8217;s good fortune in view of the possible alternatives&#8211;a nondirectional rejoicing that results in giving thanks to Chance and Luck. (This is what usually gets redirected to &#8220;God,&#8221; &#8220;The Church,&#8221; &#8220;The State,&#8221; or whoever one thinks has the most influence in those matters. But of course there are moments where people really do thank God, or the State, etc., with all their heart, and the appropriateness of that is surely a matter of personal opinion.) (2) Gratitude may actually not be exclusively an emotion, but also (pardon my soundbite) an attitude, a being-toward which we choose because we deem it to be appropriate. In other words, we often show gratitude rather than feel it, for societal reasons. (3) Getting back to the present and non-present recipients of your suggested feeling of gratitude, which I really like, especially the element of extending it to those who are no longer with us, and those whose unseen hands have helped bringing us to this moment. But something that is rarely brought up is the proper way, not to show gratitude, but to receive gratitude. Tell someone you&#8217;re grateful for what he or she has done, and they rarely know what to say! This, I think, is a lack in our moral education&#8211;we are appropriately focused on giving thanks where thanks is due, but we are not taught to receive gratitude graciously&#8230;</p>
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