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		<title>By: Moral Narturalism is Back! And so am I! &#171; Philosophy On The Mesa</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 19:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: krentz</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a follow-up comment on something that I noticed...

&quot;It’s actually more interesting than the study suggests because as adults, we don’t help strangers or people we don’t know that well. And toddlers are very aware of who they don’t know or are uncomfortable being held by but they still lend a helping hand.&quot;

You don&#039;t? That&#039;s odd, but understandable. I choose not to help people who I am distrustful or fearful of - people who I think will take advantage of me or bring me harm. That&#039;s a self-defense mechanism. It stands to reason that as a child is not born with these fears and instead learns them as a response to stressful or traumatic events, they would not &#039;censor&#039; who they offer a helping hand to.

Of course they&#039;d be uncomfortable around people they don&#039;t know well. I&#039;m something of an introvert, so I&#039;m especially familiar with that sensation. However, ask yourself this: do you really feel no desire whatsoever to help that person? Or is it that you do want to help them, but you&#039;re afraid that doing so will make you vulnerable to attack or that your efforts will be wasted? Try and remember what you were like as a child. I often find the unconditional honesty of children both endearing and refreshing, and this extends also to my inner child and his honesty about who he is!

My initial impulses usually tend err on the side of kindness rather than cruelty. However I cannot stand people who harm or take advantage of others, and I see a lot of ignorance and prejudice in this world nowadays, which can make me miserable and closed off from others. While it&#039;s important to protect yourself, just remember that &quot;the wall&quot; is a two-way thing: while you can insulate yourself from all the bad things in life, you&#039;re no longer able to experience the good. Thus either a compromise or the strength to persevere through extreme adversity is the recommended choice for living a full and honest life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a follow-up comment on something that I noticed&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s actually more interesting than the study suggests because as adults, we don’t help strangers or people we don’t know that well. And toddlers are very aware of who they don’t know or are uncomfortable being held by but they still lend a helping hand.&#8221;</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t? That&#8217;s odd, but understandable. I choose not to help people who I am distrustful or fearful of &#8211; people who I think will take advantage of me or bring me harm. That&#8217;s a self-defense mechanism. It stands to reason that as a child is not born with these fears and instead learns them as a response to stressful or traumatic events, they would not &#8216;censor&#8217; who they offer a helping hand to.</p>
<p>Of course they&#8217;d be uncomfortable around people they don&#8217;t know well. I&#8217;m something of an introvert, so I&#8217;m especially familiar with that sensation. However, ask yourself this: do you really feel no desire whatsoever to help that person? Or is it that you do want to help them, but you&#8217;re afraid that doing so will make you vulnerable to attack or that your efforts will be wasted? Try and remember what you were like as a child. I often find the unconditional honesty of children both endearing and refreshing, and this extends also to my inner child and his honesty about who he is!</p>
<p>My initial impulses usually tend err on the side of kindness rather than cruelty. However I cannot stand people who harm or take advantage of others, and I see a lot of ignorance and prejudice in this world nowadays, which can make me miserable and closed off from others. While it&#8217;s important to protect yourself, just remember that &#8220;the wall&#8221; is a two-way thing: while you can insulate yourself from all the bad things in life, you&#8217;re no longer able to experience the good. Thus either a compromise or the strength to persevere through extreme adversity is the recommended choice for living a full and honest life.</p>
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		<title>By: krentz</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Humans are innately selfish, as are all lifeforms. The problem I believe lies in the definition of what &#039;selfish&#039; means. I believe that all creatures are &#039;selfish&#039; in the way that they all have a self - an inner sense of being - whether they are cognizant of that fact or not. Let us differentiate the notion of the &#039;ego&#039; from the actual phenomenon of self. 

I only do things that I want to do. That, by its very definition, is selfishness, is it not? 

I believe the same could be said of everyone. If you do things you do not enjoy, you still want to do them - whether out of a belief that it will benefit you in some way (misguided or not), out of social obligation or more. 

Self-awareness is greatly useful in deciding which decisions are a compromise between conflicting desires and which among those desires are truly your own, which beliefs are truly felt and which are born of fears etc, but it is impossible to act in a way that does not pertain to yourself.

What is it that I _truly_ want to do? The answers to that question are provided not by impersonal or rational analysis but by an innate sense of &#039;knowing&#039; that comes from the self. The fact is, empathy and altriusm are a part of my self, and arguably more so than some. I help others not because I have analysed the situation logically and concluded it would be good for me in the long run. Nor do I help because I feel under social obligation to do so (at least not all the time anyway). Far more often I assist people because I inwardly feel the impulse, the desire to do so - and in fulfilling that desire, born purely of the &#039;self&#039;, I feel positive and fulfilled.

So, you could say that my altriustic actions are selfish in nature, but no more selfish than are all actions performed by a living creature. I do not really believe in the notion of &#039;selflessness&#039;, as I do not believe consciousness can exist without the self, but in the sense it is commonly understood I do believe that &#039;selflessness&#039; is an innate component of the human experience.

(On consciousness and experiencing oneself... I wonder what awareness plants have?)

It is only in the case of sociopaths and other &#039;mentally ill&#039; individuals who are lacking this component of their being who do not feel the need to help. They may be helpful, yes, but only in the sense we commonly interpret the word &#039;selfish&#039;, and not out of any genuine desire.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humans are innately selfish, as are all lifeforms. The problem I believe lies in the definition of what &#8216;selfish&#8217; means. I believe that all creatures are &#8216;selfish&#8217; in the way that they all have a self &#8211; an inner sense of being &#8211; whether they are cognizant of that fact or not. Let us differentiate the notion of the &#8216;ego&#8217; from the actual phenomenon of self. </p>
<p>I only do things that I want to do. That, by its very definition, is selfishness, is it not? </p>
<p>I believe the same could be said of everyone. If you do things you do not enjoy, you still want to do them &#8211; whether out of a belief that it will benefit you in some way (misguided or not), out of social obligation or more. </p>
<p>Self-awareness is greatly useful in deciding which decisions are a compromise between conflicting desires and which among those desires are truly your own, which beliefs are truly felt and which are born of fears etc, but it is impossible to act in a way that does not pertain to yourself.</p>
<p>What is it that I _truly_ want to do? The answers to that question are provided not by impersonal or rational analysis but by an innate sense of &#8216;knowing&#8217; that comes from the self. The fact is, empathy and altriusm are a part of my self, and arguably more so than some. I help others not because I have analysed the situation logically and concluded it would be good for me in the long run. Nor do I help because I feel under social obligation to do so (at least not all the time anyway). Far more often I assist people because I inwardly feel the impulse, the desire to do so &#8211; and in fulfilling that desire, born purely of the &#8216;self&#8217;, I feel positive and fulfilled.</p>
<p>So, you could say that my altriustic actions are selfish in nature, but no more selfish than are all actions performed by a living creature. I do not really believe in the notion of &#8216;selflessness&#8217;, as I do not believe consciousness can exist without the self, but in the sense it is commonly understood I do believe that &#8216;selflessness&#8217; is an innate component of the human experience.</p>
<p>(On consciousness and experiencing oneself&#8230; I wonder what awareness plants have?)</p>
<p>It is only in the case of sociopaths and other &#8216;mentally ill&#8217; individuals who are lacking this component of their being who do not feel the need to help. They may be helpful, yes, but only in the sense we commonly interpret the word &#8216;selfish&#8217;, and not out of any genuine desire.</p>
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		<title>By: The Gaze of Empathy &#171; Philosophy On The Mesa</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 00:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Breault</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would agree with this 100%. And I also agree that humans are both selfish and non-selfish in nature. I dont agree with all the theories that are at far sides of the spectrum. This theory sits right in the middle, and to me makes the most sense. If you think about it, when you are playing with a baby, say with blocks, and you are helping he/she set up the blocks, the baby of course loves to smash them down, but as soon as all of the blocks come tumbling down that baby usually hands you a block or two. A toddler is the best way of showing this theory as well because they most likely havnt been told or mastered the thought of helping others. Again, I agree with this 100%.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree with this 100%. And I also agree that humans are both selfish and non-selfish in nature. I dont agree with all the theories that are at far sides of the spectrum. This theory sits right in the middle, and to me makes the most sense. If you think about it, when you are playing with a baby, say with blocks, and you are helping he/she set up the blocks, the baby of course loves to smash them down, but as soon as all of the blocks come tumbling down that baby usually hands you a block or two. A toddler is the best way of showing this theory as well because they most likely havnt been told or mastered the thought of helping others. Again, I agree with this 100%.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica Soto Phil 102B</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe “toddlers” altruistic behavior comes naturally, our society is based on norms and children learned this behavior with time. I believe genes play an important role; in fact studies have showed that humans emotions towards helping strangers comes naturally since early age. Yes, it might be truth that toddlers learn to differentiate by adult gestures when they help their parents and they continue to help because it makes them feel good. Can this action be consider shellfish?  Not necessarily, because toddlers have the option of not helping since they are the little ones, and parents do everything for them and they still choose to help. I certainly believe that children learned with time to choose more carefully if they want to help or not. But are not born selfish, this is something that society teach human at a later age. Dr. Tomasello also mentioned “as they grow, children&#039;s spirit of cooperation is shaped by how they judge their surroundings and perceive what others think of them. They become more aware of what&#039;s around them, and worry more about what it&#039;s like and what it means to be a member of a group”. I agree with Dr. Tomasello 100%.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe “toddlers” altruistic behavior comes naturally, our society is based on norms and children learned this behavior with time. I believe genes play an important role; in fact studies have showed that humans emotions towards helping strangers comes naturally since early age. Yes, it might be truth that toddlers learn to differentiate by adult gestures when they help their parents and they continue to help because it makes them feel good. Can this action be consider shellfish?  Not necessarily, because toddlers have the option of not helping since they are the little ones, and parents do everything for them and they still choose to help. I certainly believe that children learned with time to choose more carefully if they want to help or not. But are not born selfish, this is something that society teach human at a later age. Dr. Tomasello also mentioned “as they grow, children&#8217;s spirit of cooperation is shaped by how they judge their surroundings and perceive what others think of them. They become more aware of what&#8217;s around them, and worry more about what it&#8217;s like and what it means to be a member of a group”. I agree with Dr. Tomasello 100%.</p>
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		<title>By: John-Michael DeWall</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hm... Although, toddlers seem very helpful, at that point in time... They can still realize what makes them happy. (Bottle, cookie, Dancing in front of the TV to Dora the Explorer) They laugh and get excited. During everyday life, certain gestures, or actions kids who are that young perform, cause us to react as elders. &quot;Awwww, how sweet honey, thank you for helping.... (Big kiss)&quot;....&quot;Good boy!...or Good girl!&quot;.. I feel like toddler&#039;s may recognize our reactions to their gestures, and know that if they help, they will continue to get these reactions because its &quot;so darn cute :)&quot; to us especially. This reaction will prompt them to continue service. We may even tend to OVERreact to their kindness because frankly, we aren&#039;t used to it on a regular basis; so when a two-year-old does it, it&#039;s almost amazing! At some point, though, the child grows... (3 year theory), and all though you may feel the gratitude for the assistance, the reaction fades. This could be due to an acceptance of the child&#039;s help, and therefore we begin taking it for granted. You no longer offer the child this reaction and now he/she is more reluctant to offer the help, because it is no longer a &quot;feel-good&quot; gesture to the child. Either way, I feel our selflessness/selfishness is derived from our emotions anyway :S. I know that is a sensitive topic of discussion, but emotions are powerful and tend to influence everything we do... So maybe someone who is outright selfish, and has never dealt with the consequences of acting that way... will tend to be more selfish than others. Others who are more selfless, may have experience emotional consequences from being selfish, or excessive gratitude for being selfless. Ok, now I&#039;m just starting to ramble... Great Topic for discussion, I Love IT!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm&#8230; Although, toddlers seem very helpful, at that point in time&#8230; They can still realize what makes them happy. (Bottle, cookie, Dancing in front of the TV to Dora the Explorer) They laugh and get excited. During everyday life, certain gestures, or actions kids who are that young perform, cause us to react as elders. &#8220;Awwww, how sweet honey, thank you for helping&#8230;. (Big kiss)&#8221;&#8230;.&#8221;Good boy!&#8230;or Good girl!&#8221;.. I feel like toddler&#8217;s may recognize our reactions to their gestures, and know that if they help, they will continue to get these reactions because its &#8220;so darn cute <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8221; to us especially. This reaction will prompt them to continue service. We may even tend to OVERreact to their kindness because frankly, we aren&#8217;t used to it on a regular basis; so when a two-year-old does it, it&#8217;s almost amazing! At some point, though, the child grows&#8230; (3 year theory), and all though you may feel the gratitude for the assistance, the reaction fades. This could be due to an acceptance of the child&#8217;s help, and therefore we begin taking it for granted. You no longer offer the child this reaction and now he/she is more reluctant to offer the help, because it is no longer a &#8220;feel-good&#8221; gesture to the child. Either way, I feel our selflessness/selfishness is derived from our emotions anyway :S. I know that is a sensitive topic of discussion, but emotions are powerful and tend to influence everything we do&#8230; So maybe someone who is outright selfish, and has never dealt with the consequences of acting that way&#8230; will tend to be more selfish than others. Others who are more selfless, may have experience emotional consequences from being selfish, or excessive gratitude for being selfless. Ok, now I&#8217;m just starting to ramble&#8230; Great Topic for discussion, I Love IT!</p>
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		<title>By: Paulina Fraser</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interestingly enough, I now want to experiment with any baby I come across and see if they will pick up something I drop. I never paid attention to it before but that&#039;s usually because if I do drop something or need something handed to me, I will ask them or at least point to the object so they have an idea that I need help. But with the information from this blog, I now wonder if they know that I need help before I even ask. I did originally think, even before taking this class, that people are selfish. Or at least, to an extent, more than we know. It&#039;s apparent in the sayings &quot;me, myself, and I&quot;, &quot;trust no one&quot;, and much more. But to say that we are born like that, I don&#039;t think so. I think that we learn how to be selfish as we grow up from those in our surroundings. As kids we are impressionable so it&#039;s as simple as- we see, we do. If parents are selfish, then their child will learn early on how to be. I understand that we do have a natural instinct to defend ourselves and that may be where we think we are born selfish. However, I think that when toddlers are still young, they are unaware of being selfish and unselfish. Their minds haven&#039;t developed yet and they just act on impulse. If they want to do something, then they will because that&#039;s all they know. So if I were to drop something, I think that if a baby were to pick it up for me then he/she wouldn&#039;t have realized they helped me. They would have just looked at it as giving me what I dropped. To conclude, this blog has been very eye-opening and something that I will continue to ponder on. I will most likely pass this idea along to others for their opinions and to watch for these very signs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly enough, I now want to experiment with any baby I come across and see if they will pick up something I drop. I never paid attention to it before but that&#8217;s usually because if I do drop something or need something handed to me, I will ask them or at least point to the object so they have an idea that I need help. But with the information from this blog, I now wonder if they know that I need help before I even ask. I did originally think, even before taking this class, that people are selfish. Or at least, to an extent, more than we know. It&#8217;s apparent in the sayings &#8220;me, myself, and I&#8221;, &#8220;trust no one&#8221;, and much more. But to say that we are born like that, I don&#8217;t think so. I think that we learn how to be selfish as we grow up from those in our surroundings. As kids we are impressionable so it&#8217;s as simple as- we see, we do. If parents are selfish, then their child will learn early on how to be. I understand that we do have a natural instinct to defend ourselves and that may be where we think we are born selfish. However, I think that when toddlers are still young, they are unaware of being selfish and unselfish. Their minds haven&#8217;t developed yet and they just act on impulse. If they want to do something, then they will because that&#8217;s all they know. So if I were to drop something, I think that if a baby were to pick it up for me then he/she wouldn&#8217;t have realized they helped me. They would have just looked at it as giving me what I dropped. To conclude, this blog has been very eye-opening and something that I will continue to ponder on. I will most likely pass this idea along to others for their opinions and to watch for these very signs.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really enjoyed your closing statements in this post. The philosophical focus on extremes in human behavior has always been, to me, one of philosophies least attractive qualities. If it were up to me, I would strip all connotation from the ideas of selfishness and selflessness. One day society is going to have to come to terms with the fact that nether of those two qualities hold any inherent value or stage in human development. To say that a toddler is selfish and capable of selflessness, or to say that a toddler is inherently selfless, holding any sort of innate social generosity, is silly at this point in the development of perspective. The facts remain on both sides, which points to a truth somewhere in the middle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed your closing statements in this post. The philosophical focus on extremes in human behavior has always been, to me, one of philosophies least attractive qualities. If it were up to me, I would strip all connotation from the ideas of selfishness and selflessness. One day society is going to have to come to terms with the fact that nether of those two qualities hold any inherent value or stage in human development. To say that a toddler is selfish and capable of selflessness, or to say that a toddler is inherently selfless, holding any sort of innate social generosity, is silly at this point in the development of perspective. The facts remain on both sides, which points to a truth somewhere in the middle.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Ellis Phil 102b</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree also. Toddlers haven&#039;t learned how to be discerning in terms of whom to be nice to. Unlike adults they haven’t learned how to give value to certain deeds and certain people. They may not feel comfortable with adults they don’t know holding them, but they still help them. It’s actually more interesting than the study suggests because as adults, we don’t help strangers or people we don’t know that well. And toddlers are very aware of who they don’t know or are uncomfortable being held by but they still lend a helping hand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree also. Toddlers haven&#8217;t learned how to be discerning in terms of whom to be nice to. Unlike adults they haven’t learned how to give value to certain deeds and certain people. They may not feel comfortable with adults they don’t know holding them, but they still help them. It’s actually more interesting than the study suggests because as adults, we don’t help strangers or people we don’t know that well. And toddlers are very aware of who they don’t know or are uncomfortable being held by but they still lend a helping hand.</p>
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